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BHRA Webmaster God Member Offline Mod Author of the Year 2002 Posts: 5238 Location: BHRA Headquarters Joined: Jan 18^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #45 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 11:09am
	What you originally asked for was a mod to take a "snap-shot" of your board and convert it to static html pages for archiving and off-line viewing. This may take you three weeks, but what paulpma was asking for will take a lot longer! If you want to be able to navigate the static pages, all the YaBB links will have to be changed to the static page names. This starts to get tricky when you have treads/message indexes which are more than one page in length.

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Michael God Member Offline Recursion \Re*cur"sion\, n. - See recursion. Posts: 1003 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #46 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 11:38am
	Quote: I got this e-mail read what it says: Quote: A guy from Google HIMSELF said "static pages are better". It seems the googlebot tends to 'choke' on any dynamic content, or get lost. The other search engines are almost as bad, or in many cases worse. Good, so you got an e-mail from a guy that knows another that knows a guy that works at Google? Maybe the janitor? Cripes, you have yet to say ANYTHING really useful in response. "Choking" on dynamic content is pretty fuzzy and totally untrue, at that. We were talking about pages that were generated dynamically, but you claim this e-mail says that Google's spider chokes on any dynamic content?! If that were true, then it would be choking all through most of the internet. As I said, "dynamic content" is just usually html outputted from a script on the server, which makes it no different then a static html page that has been sitting there. If search engine spiders were somehow able to pull unprocessed versions of server-side scripts, then they'd be getting all kinds of goodies like database passwords and all and malicious users would be running rampant. That'd be pretty stupid, I think. I may be wrong, but I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Firehorse has very kindly offered to make this modification that you're asking for, so I hope that satisfies you and you don't give him too much of a hard time... Quote: So one just has to pick out the right bits of code and put it back together to do the job you want. Well, you can probably leave most of the current code in place. You'll just need to have it save the html output to a file, instead of outputting it to the screen, and then changing the location to that html file I suppose. Dave could probably give you much better information than I.

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firehorse New Member Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #47 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 12:28pm
	Quote: What you originally asked for was a mod to take a "snap-shot" of your board and convert it to static html pages for archiving and off-line viewing. Well ... I thought with the amount of talented people around it might be a simple matter More a case of time available I think Quote: If you want to be able to navigate the static pages, all the YaBB links will have to be changed to the static page names. This starts to get tricky when you have treads/message indexes which are more than one page in length. Agreed ... definitely for version 2 ... summer 2003 My objectives are the same as Paul's. But I simply thought that if one got as far as making them static pages, then linking between the pages would be possible. Links to things like searching/replies could either be disabled or linked back to yabb.cgi. But if I'm going to do the mod then I probably want to start out with something much, much easier So just simply dumping out the message database to html pages will make that text available to search engines that currently don't find the 'dynamic' pages. (Not getting into that debate, but some interesting information was exchanged ) So all existing links will stay the same. And clicking on a link will lead them directly to yabb.cgi and not to another static page. Quote: Firehorse has very kindly offered to make this modification that you're asking for, so I hope that satisfies you and you don't give him too much of a hard time... Just to let you know, Paul, I'm available for hire at $45/hour if you want it done any quicker than my dec 2002 estimate Quote: Well, you can probably leave most of the current code in place. You'll just need to have it save the html output to a file, instead of outputting it to the screen, and then changing the location to that html file I suppose. Thanks for that. That's exactly what I was hoping I was hoping to construct the file name out of the message thread ID plus the start article number as those should be readily available. I'll get round to examing the code after finishing my other projects


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BHRA Webmaster God Member Offline Mod Author of the Year 2002 Posts: 5238 Location: BHRA Headquarters Joined: Jan 18^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #48 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 12:57pm
	I look forward to seeing your finished mod in winter 2003 then -these things always take longer than expected!

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firehorse New Member Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #49 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 2:02pm
	<ROFL> :haha:


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Dave Baughman God Member Offline I want my MTV Posts: 2039 Location: Murfreesboro Joined: May 18^th, 2001 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #50 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 2:32pm
	Want to know why I PERSONALLY wouldn't do this mod (I admit it, I wouldn't do it)? Because you're going to be changing some very key things. FIrst off, you are going to be changing the ease of customization. One of YaBB's selling points is that i's a template driven board, and editing is very easy. Secondly, you are going to change the entire file structure of the messages, meaning you will need major rewrites in boardindex.pl, post.pl, modifymessage.pl, messageindex.pl, movethread.pl, and any others that open the .txt files to read information out. Not only would you have to change them all, but you'd have to hunt them down. Hence, YaBB is dynamic and template driven. Why? Cause it was just easier for everybody.

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paulpma Junior Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 66 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2002	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #51 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 3:14pm
	firehorse: You are right, the key here is to get posts indexed. That is right we can take snapshots and leave them as .hml files and they will get indexed. About the linking, I think that would be done automaticaly, if you set the full path instead of relative. So we will have full dynamic content and static HTML for indexing. I will guys let you know in my next messge if its going to be $100 for it. Cause I have to talk to people who are chipping in. Maybe you want to chip in? Let us know. PAUL>

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firehorse New Member Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #52 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 4:33pm
	Quote: Because you're going to be changing some very key things. FIrst off, you are going to be changing the ease of customization. One of YaBB's selling points is that i's a template driven board, and editing is very easy. Not going to touch that at all Hoping to 'hijack' the existing template writing routine (less work to do, yabb does a good job of that already) so all customisations on the page will stay intact. The only difference is, rather than writing to the screen, write it to a file. (Well ... that's the theory ) Quote: Secondly, you are going to change the entire file structure of the messages Not going to touch the file structure at all. Sounds like way too much hard work For version 1, I will be keeping it extremely simple ... unless someone else gets there before me Quote: Hence, YaBB is dynamic and template driven. Why? Cause it was just easier for everybody. Agreed


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Michael God Member Offline Recursion \Re*cur"sion\, n. - See recursion. Posts: 1003 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #53 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 5:43pm
	No comments on my post about indexing dynamic pages, Dave? I was looking forward to your response. @ Firehorse: Where are you planning to link to the static HTML files from? @ Paul: lmao, now you're going to split the $100 amongst a bunch of people that are "chipping in"? That's grand

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BHRA Webmaster God Member Offline Mod Author of the Year 2002 Posts: 5238 Location: BHRA Headquarters Joined: Jan 18^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #54 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 5:49pm
	Michael, I think that's a bunch of people chipping in to pay the $100

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firehorse New Member Offline Posts: 29 Joined: Feb 17^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #55 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 6:01pm
	Michael wrote on Feb 25^th, 2002 at 5:43pm: @ Firehorse: Where are you planning to link to the static HTML files from? Absolutely nowhere The purpose of the static HTML files are to act as a feeder from those search engines that cannot index dynamic pages to the dyanmic up to date yabb.cgi


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BHRA Webmaster God Member Offline Mod Author of the Year 2002 Posts: 5238 Location: BHRA Headquarters Joined: Jan 18^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #56 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 6:06pm
	If you don't have links to the static pages, how are the search engines supposed to find them? ???

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paulpma Junior Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 66 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2002	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #57 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 7:28pm
	@michael: Currently there are 2 people who will pay $100, I just want people to chipin so this number will RISE, and this mod wilHello, do you understand english. robots.txt would point to those files, and also we can point to them from any other page duh.. those files will be updated, cause they will be overwritten each time there is new post on the same page. WAKE UP Paul.

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BHRA Webmaster God Member Offline Mod Author of the Year 2002 Posts: 5238 Location: BHRA Headquarters Joined: Jan 18^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #58 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 7:49pm
	I understand English perfectly, but I don't know what "wilHello" means! And to whom was that last comment directed?

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Michael God Member Offline Recursion \Re*cur"sion\, n. - See recursion. Posts: 1003 Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2001 Gender:	Re: $100[SUPER REQ] YABB to HTML Reply #59 - Feb 25^th, 2002 at 9:08pm
	paulpma wrote on Feb 25^th, 2002 at 7:28pm: @michael: Currently there are 2 people who will pay $100, I just want people to chipin so this number will RISE, and this mod wilHello, do you understand english. I understand English perfectly, but it doesn't do much good if you don't make yourself clear. Besides the fact that "I will guys let you know in my next messge if its going to be $100 for it" is bad English, it sounded like you planned on lowering the payment because other coders would be chipping in. Forgive my interpretation, but don't get nasty with me. Quote: robots.txt would point to those files As far as I know, robots.txt can only be used to EXCLUDE files or folders from indexing. If something new has come up, be sure to let me know. Quote: and also we can point to them from any other page duh.. Such as? Quote: those files will be updated, cause they will be overwritten each time there is new post on the same page. They're also updated everytime the page is requested from a normal YaBB, it's just that they're not permanently saved as a .html file. I'm telling you, you're not doing anything different in terms of search engine indexing. No matter the extension of the file, html looks like html to a spider. Quote: WAKE UP Please don't try to insult me. I haven't tried to insult you and if I have done so inadvertantly, please forgive me.

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